Neiva to Cali via Bogota
157 connections on the timetable in the last 7 days, each with its time between the gates on up to 10 days, to Thu 5 Nov. Find yours by its times.
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- 1 h 55 apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 VE 7893 leaves 10:00 Between the gates: 1 h 12 on the one day with both gate times
- 1 h 30 apart AV 4816 arrives 08:55 AV 9207 leaves 10:25 Between the gates: 1 h 15 to 1 h 40, typically 1 h 30
- 2 h 05 apart AV 4816 arrives 08:55 AV 9527 leaves 11:00 Between the gates: 1 h 49 to 2 h 23, typically 2 h 02
- 3 h 05 apart AV 4816 arrives 08:55 AV 9227 leaves 12:00 Between the gates: 2 h 50 to 3 h 18, typically 3 h
- 4 h 35 apart AV 4816 arrives 08:55 AV 8553 leaves 13:30 Between the gates: 4 h 20 to 5 h 03, typically 4 h 32
- 40 min apart LA 4301 arrives 09:45 LA 4067 leaves 10:25 Between the gates: 50 min on the one day with both gate times
- 1 h 45 apart LA 4301 arrives 09:45 LA 4075 leaves 11:30 Between the gates: 1 h 55 on the one day with both gate times
- 5 h 30 apart LA 4301 arrives 09:45 LA 4089 leaves 15:15 Between the gates: 5 h 40 on the one day with both gate times
- 30 min apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 AV 8553 leaves 13:30 Between the gates: −2 min to 52 min, typically 39 min
- 2 h 45 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 AV 9205 leaves 15:45 Between the gates: 3 h 06 to 3 h 25, typically 3 h 16
- 3 h 45 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 AV 9201 leaves 16:45 Between the gates: 1 h 50 to 5 h 07, typically 3 h 53
- 4 h 20 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 AV 9843 leaves 17:20 Between the gates: 4 h 19 to 4 h 40, typically 4 h 31
- 5 h 10 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 AV 9801 leaves 18:10 Between the gates: 4 h 30 to 5 h 33, typically 5 h 13
- 1 h 50 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 LA 4079 leaves 18:30 Between the gates: 1 h 43 to 3 h 52, typically 1 h 57
- 2 h 55 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 LA 4081 leaves 19:35 Between the gates: 2 h 40 to 3 h 22, typically 2 h 53
- 3 h 25 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 LA 4083 leaves 20:05 Between the gates: 3 h 20 to 4 h 42, typically 3 h 48
- 4 h 45 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 LA 4085 leaves 21:25 Between the gates: 4 h 22 to 6 h 18, typically 4 h 57
- 50 min apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 AV 9801 leaves 18:10 Between the gates: −2 h 25 to 1 h 10, typically −23 min
- 1 h 55 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 AV 8463 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: 6 min to 2 h 22, typically 2 h 05
- 2 h 30 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 AV 9271 leaves 19:50 Between the gates: −41 min to 2 h 31, typically 6 min
- 3 h 05 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 AV 8421 leaves 20:25 Between the gates: 31 min to 3 h 14, typically 2 h 44
- 3 h 05 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 LH 9616 leaves 20:25 Between the gates: −3 min to 3 h 51, typically 1 h 43
- 3 h 20 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 AV 9221 leaves 20:40 Between the gates: −7 min to 3 h 57, typically 57 min
- 4 h 05 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 AV 9211 leaves 21:25 Between the gates: 45 min to 4 h 15, typically 1 h 33
- 4 h 35 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 AV 9215 leaves 21:55 Between the gates: 1 h 05 to 5 h 04, typically 3 h 12
- 5 h 05 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 AV 8469 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 5 h 09 to 5 h 14, typically 5 h 12
- 5 h 05 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 LH 9632 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 2 h 42 to 3 h 36, typically 3 h 07
- 2 h 55 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 VE 7899 leaves 21:15 Between the gates: 59 min to 3 h 06, typically 2 h 02
- 45 min apart AV 4884 arrives 21:40 AV 8469 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 45 min to 1 h 11, typically 58 min
- 45 min apart AV 4884 arrives 21:40 LH 9632 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 48 min to 1 h 50, typically 1 h 22
- 4 h apart AV 4884 arrives 21:40 AV 8449 leaves 01:40 Between the gates: 4 h 05 to 4 h 22, typically 4 h 14
126 more on airlines that aren’t partners
- 25 min apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 AV 8465 leaves 08:30 Between the gates: −20 min to 25 min, typically 7 min
- 25 min apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 G3 6702 leaves 08:30 Between the gates: −20 min to 25 min, typically 6 min
- 30 min apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 LA 4061 leaves 08:35 Between the gates: 1 min to 4 h 26, typically 23 min
- 35 min apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 JA 5308 leaves 08:40 Between the gates: 33 min on the one day with both gate times
- 1 h 05 apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 AV 8523 leaves 09:10 Between the gates: 18 min to 1 h 22, typically 52 min
- 1 h 05 apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 LA 4037 leaves 09:10 Between the gates: 36 min to 1 h 14, typically 53 min
- 1 h 05 apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 VB 8126 leaves 09:10 Between the gates: 32 min to 1 h 29, typically 1 h 12
- 2 h 05 apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 P5 7650 leaves 10:10 Between the gates: 1 h 42 to 10 h 09, typically 4 h 52
- 2 h 20 apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 AV 9207 leaves 10:25 Between the gates: 1 h 35 to 2 h 25, typically 2 h 13
- 2 h 20 apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 LA 4067 leaves 10:25 Between the gates: 36 min to 3 h 01, typically 1 h 50
- 2 h 55 apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 AV 9527 leaves 11:00 Between the gates: 2 h 14 to 2 h 59, typically 2 h 46
- 3 h 25 apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 LA 4075 leaves 11:30 Between the gates: 2 h 42 to 3 h 27, typically 3 h 16
- 3 h 55 apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 AV 9227 leaves 12:00 Between the gates: 3 h 09 to 3 h 54, typically 3 h 42
- 5 h 25 apart VE 9041 arrives 08:05 AV 8553 leaves 13:30 Between the gates: 4 h 59 to 5 h 28, typically 5 h 15
- 1 h 05 apart AV 4816 arrives 08:55 VE 7893 leaves 10:00 Between the gates: 1 h 12 on the one day with both gate times
- 1 h 15 apart AV 4816 arrives 08:55 P5 7650 leaves 10:10 Between the gates: 32 min to 9 h 21, typically 4 h 45
- 1 h 30 apart AV 4816 arrives 08:55 LA 4067 leaves 10:25 Between the gates: 0 min to 2 h 25, typically 1 h 22
- 2 h 35 apart AV 4816 arrives 08:55 LA 4075 leaves 11:30 Between the gates: 2 h 20 to 2 h 50, typically 2 h 34
- 5 h 25 apart AV 4816 arrives 08:55 LA 4071 leaves 14:20 Between the gates: 5 h 06 to 5 h 17, typically 5 h 09
- 25 min apart LA 4301 arrives 09:45 P5 7650 leaves 10:10 Between the gates: 35 min on the one day with both gate times
- 40 min apart LA 4301 arrives 09:45 AV 9207 leaves 10:25 Between the gates: 45 min on the one day with both gate times
- 1 h 15 apart LA 4301 arrives 09:45 AV 9527 leaves 11:00 Between the gates: 1 h 28 on the one day with both gate times
- 2 h 15 apart LA 4301 arrives 09:45 AV 9227 leaves 12:00 Between the gates: 2 h 23 on the one day with both gate times
- 3 h 45 apart LA 4301 arrives 09:45 AV 8553 leaves 13:30 Between the gates: 4 h on the one day with both gate times
- 1 h 20 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 LA 4071 leaves 14:20 Between the gates: 57 min to 1 h 23, typically 1 h 14
- 2 h 15 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 LA 4089 leaves 15:15 Between the gates: 1 h 40 to 2 h 24, typically 2 h 18
- 2 h 20 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 JA 5302 leaves 15:20 Between the gates: 1 h 45 to 10 h 43, typically 3 h 43
- 3 h 45 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 IB 6975 leaves 16:45 Between the gates: 1 h 48 to 4 h 54, typically 3 h 57
- 4 h apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 LA 4077 leaves 17:00 Between the gates: 3 h 25 to 4 h 09, typically 4 h 03
- 4 h 25 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 P5 7258 leaves 17:25 Between the gates: 1 h 24 on the one day with both gate times
- 5 h 20 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 JA 9245 leaves 18:20 Between the gates: no gate times yet
- 5 h 20 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 P5 7260 leaves 18:20 Between the gates: 29 min to 5 h 23, typically 1 h 28
- 5 h 30 apart AV 4834 arrives 13:00 LA 4079 leaves 18:30 Between the gates: 5 h 22 to 7 h 58, typically 5 h 39
- 1 h 05 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 LA 4089 leaves 15:15 Between the gates: 22 min to 1 h 14, typically 1 h
- 1 h 10 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 JA 5302 leaves 15:20 Between the gates: 1 h 53 to 4 h 18, typically 3 h 06
- 1 h 35 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 AV 9205 leaves 15:45 Between the gates: −19 min to 1 h 36, typically 49 min
- 2 h 35 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 AV 9201 leaves 16:45 Between the gates: 1 h 49 to 4 h 01, typically 2 h 48
- 2 h 35 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 IB 6975 leaves 16:45 Between the gates: 2 h 02 to 3 h 40, typically 2 h 38
- 2 h 50 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 LA 4077 leaves 17:00 Between the gates: 2 h 07 to 2 h 55, typically 2 h 34
- 3 h 10 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 AV 9843 leaves 17:20 Between the gates: 2 h 19 to 3 h 36, typically 3 h 14
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- 3 h 15 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 P5 7258 leaves 17:25 Between the gates: 3 h 20 on the one day with both gate times
- 4 h apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 AV 9801 leaves 18:10 Between the gates: 3 h 13 to 4 h 19, typically 3 h 45
- 4 h 10 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 JA 9245 leaves 18:20 Between the gates: no gate times yet
- 4 h 10 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 P5 7260 leaves 18:20 Between the gates: 2 h 13 to 4 h 05, typically 2 h 20
- 4 h 20 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 LA 4079 leaves 18:30 Between the gates: 3 h 37 to 6 h 03, typically 4 h 15
- 5 h 05 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 AR 8908 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: 5 h 08 to 5 h 26, typically 5 h 17
- 5 h 05 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 AV 8463 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: 4 h 22 to 5 h 46, typically 5 h 08
- 5 h 05 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 IB 6939 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: 4 h 08 to 5 h 08, typically 4 h 48
- 5 h 25 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 LA 4081 leaves 19:35 Between the gates: 4 h 23 to 5 h 34, typically 5 h 20
- 5 h 40 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 AV 9271 leaves 19:50 Between the gates: 4 h 32 to 5 h 34, typically 5 h 19
- 5 h 45 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 JA 5304 leaves 19:55 Between the gates: 6 h 25 to 6 h 45, typically 6 h 42
- 5 h 45 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 P5 7262 leaves 19:55 Between the gates: 5 h 03 to 6 h 47, typically 5 h 38
- 5 h 55 apart VE 9045 arrives 14:10 LA 4083 leaves 20:05 Between the gates: 5 h 28 to 6 h 09, typically 5 h 58
- 40 min apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 AV 9843 leaves 17:20 Between the gates: 30 min to 1 h 15, typically 49 min
- 45 min apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 P5 7258 leaves 17:25 Between the gates: 15 min to 53 min, typically 34 min
- 1 h 30 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 AV 9801 leaves 18:10 Between the gates: 1 h 17 to 1 h 39, typically 1 h 26
- 1 h 40 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 JA 9245 leaves 18:20 Between the gates: no gate times yet
- 1 h 40 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 P5 7260 leaves 18:20 Between the gates: 1 min to 1 h 36, typically 47 min
- 2 h 35 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 AR 8908 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: 2 h 37 to 2 h 59, typically 2 h 46
- 2 h 35 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 AV 8463 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: 2 h 25 to 4 h 46, typically 2 h 49
- 2 h 35 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 IB 6939 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: 2 h 25 to 2 h 57, typically 2 h 40
- 3 h 10 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 AV 9271 leaves 19:50 Between the gates: 2 h 18 to 3 h 23, typically 3 h 14
- 3 h 15 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 JA 5304 leaves 19:55 Between the gates: 2 h 57 to 4 h 34, typically 3 h 58
- 3 h 15 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 P5 7262 leaves 19:55 Between the gates: 2 h 52 to 4 h 13, typically 3 h 13
- 3 h 45 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 AV 8421 leaves 20:25 Between the gates: 3 h 46 to 5 h 13, typically 4 h 16
- 3 h 45 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 G3 6705 leaves 20:25 Between the gates: 3 h 33 to 5 h 45, typically 4 h 38
- 3 h 45 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 LH 9616 leaves 20:25 Between the gates: 3 h 39 to 5 h 47, typically 4 h 05
- 4 h apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 AV 9221 leaves 20:40 Between the gates: 3 h 35 to 4 h 16, typically 3 h 58
- 4 h 35 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 VE 7899 leaves 21:15 Between the gates: 4 h 12 to 5 h 16, typically 4 h 35
- 4 h 45 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 AV 9211 leaves 21:25 Between the gates: 4 h 27 to 4 h 55, typically 4 h 39
- 5 h 15 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 AV 9215 leaves 21:55 Between the gates: 4 h 47 to 5 h 36, typically 5 h 10
- 5 h 45 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 AV 8469 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 5 h 41 to 6 h 06, typically 5 h 54
- 5 h 45 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 IB 6969 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 6 h 39 on the one day with both gate times
- 5 h 45 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 LH 9632 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 5 h 52 to 6 h 43, typically 6 h 10
- 5 h 45 apart LA 4299 arrives 16:40 VB 8121 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 4 h 49 to 6 h 25, typically 6 h 14
- 1 h apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 JA 9245 leaves 18:20 Between the gates: no gate times yet
- 1 h apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 P5 7260 leaves 18:20 Between the gates: 44 min on the one day with both gate times
- 1 h 10 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 LA 4079 leaves 18:30 Between the gates: −1 h 28 to 1 h 24, typically 10 min
- 1 h 55 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 AR 8908 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: −45 min to 2 h 22, typically 52 min
- 1 h 55 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 IB 6939 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: −45 min to 2 h, typically 38 min
- 2 h 15 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 LA 4081 leaves 19:35 Between the gates: −33 min to 2 h 16, typically 1 h
- 2 h 35 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 JA 5304 leaves 19:55 Between the gates: −13 min to 4 h, typically 1 h 14
- 2 h 35 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 P5 7262 leaves 19:55 Between the gates: −50 min to 2 h 39, typically 32 min
- 2 h 45 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 LA 4083 leaves 20:05 Between the gates: 5 min to 3 h 14, typically 2 h 11
- 3 h 05 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 G3 6705 leaves 20:25 Between the gates: 26 min to 3 h 25, typically 2 h 46
- 3 h 55 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 VE 7899 leaves 21:15 Between the gates: 30 min to 4 h 24, typically 1 h 26
- 4 h 05 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 LA 4085 leaves 21:25 Between the gates: 40 min to 4 h 44, typically 2 h 32
- 5 h 05 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 IB 6969 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 3 h 17 on the one day with both gate times
- 5 h 05 apart AV 4860 arrives 17:20 VB 8121 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 1 h 57 to 5 h 14, typically 4 h 03
- 55 min apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 AR 8908 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: −12 min to 1 h 11, typically 43 min
- 55 min apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 AV 8463 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: −1 h 25 to 2 h 52, typically 52 min
- 55 min apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 IB 6939 leaves 19:15 Between the gates: −1 h 25 to 1 h 24, typically 58 min
- 1 h 15 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 LA 4081 leaves 19:35 Between the gates: −1 h 36 to 1 h 36, typically 16 min
- 1 h 30 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 AV 9271 leaves 19:50 Between the gates: −54 min to 1 h 40, typically 1 h 15
- 1 h 35 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 JA 5304 leaves 19:55 Between the gates: 47 min to 2 h 45, typically 2 h 11
- 1 h 35 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 P5 7262 leaves 19:55 Between the gates: 7 min to 2 h 31, typically 1 h 06
- 1 h 45 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 LA 4083 leaves 20:05 Between the gates: −11 min to 2 h 55, typically 56 min
- 2 h 05 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 AV 8421 leaves 20:25 Between the gates: 2 h 15 to 3 h 58, typically 2 h 44
- 2 h 05 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 G3 6705 leaves 20:25 Between the gates: 9 min to 4 h 03, typically 51 min
- 2 h 05 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 LH 9616 leaves 20:25 Between the gates: 37 min to 3 h 51, typically 2 h 07
- 2 h 20 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 AV 9221 leaves 20:40 Between the gates: −1 min to 2 h 35, typically 1 h 33
- 3 h 05 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 AV 9211 leaves 21:25 Between the gates: 1 h 14 to 3 h 17, typically 2 h 41
- 3 h 05 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 LA 4085 leaves 21:25 Between the gates: 1 h 19 to 3 h 55, typically 1 h 52
- 3 h 35 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 AV 9215 leaves 21:55 Between the gates: 50 min to 3 h 45, typically 2 h 37
- 4 h 05 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 AV 8469 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 1 h 49 on the one day with both gate times
- 4 h 05 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 IB 6969 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 5 h 01 on the one day with both gate times
- 4 h 05 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 LH 9632 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 3 h 04 to 4 h 12, typically 3 h 42
- 4 h 05 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 VB 8121 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 1 h 49 to 4 h 27, typically 3 h 52
- 5 h 20 apart VE 9047 arrives 18:20 LA 4087 leaves 23:40 Between the gates: 2 h 49 to 5 h 31, typically 3 h 57
- 45 min apart AV 4884 arrives 21:40 IB 6969 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 1 h 39 on the one day with both gate times
- 45 min apart AV 4884 arrives 21:40 VB 8121 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 1 h 06 to 1 h 11, typically 1 h 09
- 2 h apart AV 4884 arrives 21:40 LA 4087 leaves 23:40 Between the gates: 1 h 57 to 2 h 11, typically 2 h 05
- 4 h 05 apart AV 4884 arrives 21:40 P5 7510 leaves 01:45 Between the gates: 2 h 36 to 4 h 14, typically 4 h 04
- 4 h 05 apart AV 4884 arrives 21:40 P5 7512 leaves 01:45 Between the gates: 2 h 33 to 4 h 34, typically 3 h 34
- 5 h 30 apart AV 4884 arrives 21:40 P5 7250 leaves 03:10 Between the gates: 8 h 01 to 9 h 59, typically 8 h 45
- 35 min apart VE 9049 arrives 21:50 AV 8469 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 26 min to 1 h 03, typically 45 min
- 35 min apart VE 9049 arrives 21:50 IB 6969 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 1 h 21 on the one day with both gate times
- 35 min apart VE 9049 arrives 21:50 LH 9632 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 46 min to 1 h 26, typically 1 h 10
- 35 min apart VE 9049 arrives 21:50 VB 8121 leaves 22:25 Between the gates: 1 h 03 on the one day with both gate times
- 1 h 50 apart VE 9049 arrives 21:50 LA 4087 leaves 23:40 Between the gates: 1 h 32 to 2 h 03, typically 1 h 51
- 3 h 50 apart VE 9049 arrives 21:50 AV 8449 leaves 01:40 Between the gates: 3 h 46 to 4 h 09, typically 3 h 58
- 3 h 55 apart VE 9049 arrives 21:50 P5 7510 leaves 01:45 Between the gates: 2 h 28 to 4 h, typically 3 h 42
- 5 h 20 apart VE 9049 arrives 21:50 P5 7250 leaves 03:10 Between the gates: 7 h 18 to 9 h 29, typically 8 h 23
- 1 h 30 apart VE 9043 arrives 22:10 LA 4087 leaves 23:40 Between the gates: no gate times yet
- 3 h 35 apart VE 9043 arrives 22:10 P5 7510 leaves 01:45 Between the gates: no gate times yet
- 5 h apart VE 9043 arrives 22:10 P5 7250 leaves 03:10 Between the gates: no gate times yet
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